The never ending collimation problem

Clear night last night so could see if my collimation efforts had any effect.

The scope that always had reasonable collimation was still o.k. the scope that had poor collimation was still poor.  Now seeing how they looked pretty much the same with the Takahashi collimator I’m not sure what’s going on here, will need to take another look this morning.  Maybe something shifted in transferring the scope down to the observatory?  Unlikely, but what the problem is, I’m not sure yet.

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